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ONK kortebaan end of October (updated 16-5-2012)

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The KNZB site is the fixture of next season appeared with one very striking fact.
Unlike previous years, the Dutch Open Championship in 2012 kortebaan will not take place in early December, but already late October.
The tournament which is also expected to serve as qualifying tournament for the European and World Championships Short Course, both of which take place in December, service is scheduled for the weekend of 26th, 27th and 28th of October.

It may be called at least remarkable that KNZB has taken this decision. In a post-Olympic season is the motivation of top swimmers to take part in the European and World Championships Short Course section often limited. If they decide to hold equally delicious holiday after the Olympics will be a qualifier in late October also very early.
Should the tournament meant for swimmers who do not appear at the start in London, then the impact of the shift is very large for a very small group with realistic qualification chances.
For swimmers who are motivated / promising, would also be a World Cup race could be used as qualifier. Considered These are scheduled for 13-14 October (Stockholm), 17-18 October (Moscow) and 20/12 of October (Berlin).

For northern Netherlands the new date of the ONC also means that it will fall to the middle and south in the second weekend of the autumn Netherlands falls on the weekend after the autumn.

Update (25-4-2012): Partly in response to the comments below, we have contacted the KNZB and put the following mail deposited:

The new calendar of 2012-2013 is the ONC kortebaan scheduled for late October, is this correct?

As a trainer, this seems a very undesirable situation.
By abolishing the 25m pool limits for the summer NK clubs / swimmers are 'forced' to starting February / March their matches to swim in a 50m pool as possible. This means that there is less swum in a 25m pool is so swimmers will have their limits in the ONK kortebaan should achieve. Yet after the summer holidays With a limit period closes in early October that is almost impossible.

Furthermore, I think it is also against the regulations of the KNZB itself:
"Dutch Winter Swimming Championships.
a. Dutch Winter Swimming Championships each year between December 1 and 30
April organized "

In this mail we received the following response:

The ONK kb is indeed scheduled for late October.
Your mail, telling us there as a trainer along to have trouble, I also forwarded to Titus Mennen.
The limit shall be extended to all NK's next season. This will mean that the deadline to register is on Oct 15, to stand up and be t / m Oct. 14th limits can be achieved.
There is also an amendment of the regulations in the making, in which we modify the rules at that point

Of course, we have once again responded here, this time with the question of why this rather radical change of course.
From the KNZB indicated that they will provide through official channels and only. Information
If there are trainers who are interested in the motives of the KNZB decisions, for they can always contact the KNZB yourself. For more information about the movement of the ONC kortebaan to October Titus Mennen the right contact person.

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  1. Giant pity such a decision for the sport. A short period to reach a limit. a training structure that even the coach does not get in his planning and thus devaluing the tournament. Incidentally, I received the signal that this shift is not unique. Again, the rest of the Netherlands districts for maybe this time very select group of swimmers. I understand that qualifying for a tournament to take place but for the exposure of swimming you'd also like to see your toppers in the NK. Who do not swim so soon after the OS. Losers all around. If swimming Netherlands no longer tolerate such decisions will have to take action. I hope the union can listen to its members and does not rule from an ivory tower.

  2. Is this not contrary to Article 22.2 of the KNZB swim own rules?

    "Dutch Winter Swimming Championships.
    a. Dutch Winter Swimming Championships each year between December 1 and 30
    April organized "

    (Regelement on )

  3. What is not yet clearly evident in the reports is that the NEK 1 week, 2 weeks and the league forward has shifted. This is actually no reason, or it must have to do with the NK kb.
    In short, that means already reserved prayed for the competition to be rescheduled, and the question is whether there is still place. Moreover scheduled games already have neighborhoods that weekend, which also has consequences.

  4. NK should be the main event for the entire Dutch summit. Qualification for international tournaments does not have to happen. During NK If this calendar is technically fit is of course nice to see the ultimate in form on a NK in action but if they are not there, or is not in top form, NK is a also a nice tournament.

    With this decision the KNZB deprives a lot of national champions and sub-elite one of their two major tournaments. Limits swimming in September and in top form in October is impossible if a season pass starts around September 1. Shift to January I had a much better plan found.

  5. End of school Northern Netherlands September 2, taper week 22 to 25 October
    So build in just 7 weeks to a peak condition for the Nationals Short Course which for many swimmers as their own charm and one of the three bright moments should be the sub-elite.

    Maybe it's time to set against these union officials and the (assistant) coaches selections and RTCs from the swimming clubs organized counteraction
    Everything we turn now to a very small group of stars that can go to European and World Short Course.
    The rest of the Netherlands job filling which may add to the wild ideas of the elite group

    There are more decisions in the recent past which support this view. Afterwards we talk all the crooked straight.

  6. As often again half an answer of (assistant) bondcaoches and the union.
    They are going to change the rules you can, but at this time the old rules still apply.
    The article that KNZB if deemed necessary, the regulations may aanpssen or implement other was missing in this section of the regulations.

    Incidentally, the KNZB site:

    The fixture swim 2012-2013 is known. The calendar during the annual meeting with the Circle Swim Committees last Thursday identified.

    Have apparently yet 14 circle representatives are not realized what the impact of this change is the largest group of swimmers who they are supposed to represent.
    Maybe an action towards the KZC's to ask what arguments were used in this ...... consultation.

    Extending the limit period mi nothing to do with the much shorter time of preparation and fitness development to the peak moment NK KB
    This year the swimmers in Northern Netherlands screwed. But which is of course different annually.
    It means that there should already be started exercising / training structure, so that from the 1st full week of training (in September) can be dragged to the building in the next seven weeks. Packed in the summer

    Also sub-elite are entitled to six weeks as real NOT swim and think that works if not more.

    For the toppers to EYOF / EJK / EK / OS limit have met the ONK KB no longer feasible, since the (replacement) EYOF and European Youth Championships and European Championships and OS results in their August / September are the rest are than 4 weeks full again be at the start of the ONK KB seems impossible. Fortunately, all of which will limit or already have, so limit games can be seen as a check point.

    If we have a ONK KB hold the 1st or 2nd week of December, you just have 5 or 6 weeks extra => one long or two short opbouwcyclussen extra and squint a big sip on a drink for the performance that can be delivered.

    Partly because of the choice in 2011 to keep as kwaificatiemoment for the OS to label an extra LB NK and NK KB 2012 as qualifying time for European and World Championships KB and also to bring forward ... .. is on the choices made in Nieuwegein is! !
    Subtop and width athletes must comply with the optimization of schedules and qualification moments of the toppers. The NK KB is an event that is no longer taken seriously. Hopefully this does not apply to the sub-elite and community sport.

  7. Can someone be performing at the European Championships Short Course Short Course only if he has obtained the limit? Of the NK There are also no limits known for the EC / WC kortebaan 2012.

  8. Harold, The competition is not just two weeks earlier. Perhaps with respect to the first calendar. Then, I have not seen. But the first league is always around October 1st. So sometimes late September.

    Furthermore, the KNZB this way again a joke.
    Like politicians, non-compliance with its own rules / regulations, and afterwards say there is a change in the rules coming. HAHA.

  9. Kim: In itself, you're right, the calendar was not final and therefore the 1st round competition could be moved yet. But I'm sure there are clubs get into trouble because they can hire. Bathwater no longer Some pools you have the tub capture more than a year in advance. Either: The calendar is published is practically too late, especially now that he is different from the provisional calendar.

    The fact that the first round can also take place in September you're absolutely right, in 2007 was the first league weekend 29th and 30th September.

  10. I do not understand why these NK as qualifying time should apply. Most of those who adhere to limits will ws difficult to be in top form.

    1 If you still want a qualification time can easily these people an extra game to be organized. Seems to me a few years ago happens again, I think Fri EK Langebaan, as sub-elite are not deprived of "their NK. And why not just the swim cups assert? Retroactively

    2. kortebaan tournaments always 25 and 50 limits are drawn. You may assume that the contenders were then in top form. For those few who took the extra time next match can be used.

  11. I would like to respond to the message from Frank. Of the 14 circles, there were 12 groups present, if we circles (who had objected to the early date of the ONK) were counted by a show of hands, I can tell you that there had been certain that there were against and 10 unfortunately circles found the KNZB necessary and it is said that by giving within KNZB. The circles are in the interests of all their associations and they are certainly aware of what this means for the swimmers. Some circles have even suggested boycotting the game but that is obviously not the circles.
    Then the calendar it was always as a concept and in fact determined during the meeting circles, as it now has been the case, options on a bath then that you are under preservation to do.

  12. Kim: There is (or rather was) not without a multi-year calendar. There, on planned, especially the Masters who want to stay outside the NK and competites much as possible but also to other races and as Martin says, to more than settle for competitions ed. Bathwater on time Now the consequence that you any longer can plan. In our bath in Eindhoven where the whole swimming world and beyond bathwater hires, you really should be on time. Incidentally, I am told that in another weekend competition can swim, best by force but if that happened on a large scale you got there so for three weekends. Advice is so nice to stay if you have to. With your reservation

  13. Harold, I give you quite right, and certainly in Eindhoven. Here plays that is not so. We have also in Limburg until June the Delegates Assembly regarding the fixture. And then I'm going to the bath only request. That can be happy. Though it is also more difficult, for next season as there is a new bath comes in 2013.

  14. Dianne
    If this is true, it is even sadder. The regulations are flouted. To afterwards tog we go with the regulations of course some adjusting. The members of the KZC's present are informed but apparently not taken seriously, because why would you calibrate policy by these experts to vote or express their views into account in the final decision. Unbelievable. And then on your website mention as a smokescreen that the swimming calendar was adopted in a meeting with the TC's. Maybe we should Boards, KZC and TCs associations are all protesting via email against this undemocratic state of affairs. And swimmers may whopping 2 weeks longer hunt on the limits, so we with the tongue on the slippers are at the start of the NK KB.
    Sin to degrade to a lottery in the middle of the building while the toppers that the European and World Championships KB limits should swim just far their training building after major international tournaments this summer. Nice tournament
    KNZB ... turn this strange decision back!

  15. I am very curious about the response of the KNZB to the last question in the introduction to this question.
    I fear that swimming Netherlands there are again conforming to it and that everyone but starting on behind the absurd ideas of our TD and coaches. Pity.

  16. Leo: Shall we think it has to do with the past holiday season :(

    The toppers will be posted as usual for these two tournaments KB obv past performance and shape retention in the NK KB Be it performance on the international LB tournaments this summer.

    Then it is for KNZB within the project the training camps leading up to this tournament KB handy early to know who should participate. From the rest of the (second tier) population in these training camps Hence mid-October.
    Then it does not matter whether or not this is good fit into the structure of the relevant sub-elite. 1tje also makes more or less or not from. That the rest of swimming Netherlands this beautiful tournament drilled through the nose is just ... .. c'est la vie ... shrug.

    You would almost be cynical :)

  17. Leo: Unfortunately no response from the KNZB, but since Jacco and Titus both abroad are / were not entirely unexpected. Titus seems to me back in the country now, so possible in the short term more info.

    Incidentally, we would be able to choose to organize a tournament in early December and ONK kortebaan may consider (if you already makes the tournament). Well as a test event
    Less sharp limits 2 days with finals (Saturday and Sunday) and possibly direct finals on Friday night for longer distances?
    Which weekend would be the best true?

  18. Uhm ... of crazy that it is necessary, but tight plan. The weekend of the NK KB in the draft calendar but then :)

  19. Why not organize KNZB Swim Cup on the short course? Further in any case, the OS-goers be able to count on a ticket for EK and / or World Cup short course.

  20. Steven:
    The ASC KB is always organized by the Dolphin / NZA (ism KNZB) in late October.
    Why the OS-goers must be specially treated. ... and also the European Youth Championships swimmers. ... and OTT'ers and ... ..

    KB is different LB: OS-goers in the past year by the choice of the KNZB for LB tournaments in preparation for the OS (ONK KB autumn 2011 LB created ASC 2011 is made ...... LB) few 25 meters seen bathing, let alone have a current time designated by the KNZB qualifier.
    Given the needed rest and training structure of the OS-goers and EK KB and EJK participants who, after all, still come into action in July seems to be a qualifying time early December expedient.

    But KNZB chooses himself for the ONK move to end of October. KB
    Therefore equal ... monks ... gander. either all swim just to get you in the ONK KB late October, European and World Championships KB limits than without proper training building ......
    I think that's an undesirable situation (also for OS-goers) is clear.

  21. From the KNZB indicated that they will provide through official channels and only. Information
    If there are trainers who are interested in the motives of the KNZB decisions, for they can always contact the KNZB yourself. For more information about the movement of the ONC kortebaan to October Titus Mennen the right contact person.

  22. Leo wrote: I hope the union can listen to its members and does not rule from an ivory tower. Last ONK LB there was also a lot of whining, the Netherlands gave his opinion. Listened accompanied ...... no. So I am afraid that this will happen. Now again

  23. Casper: See my previous message and contact the KNZB. Giving an opinion is easy, something with / to make difficult ;)

  24. Okay ... so as a parent concerned (one of the major axes of the triangle) you only via a trainer - TC - KZC the opportunity to find out the reasons. That will or are busy with requests for information through these channels. I know who I'm going to ask at the circuit championships set :)

  25. Joost
    I think the cups always swim 50 meter pool games, I can not remember any ASC in a 25 meter pool, except for the junior / youth contest.
    The choice to keep the ONK in December on the back burner I can find in me. This gives the potential OS-goers an additional opportunity to qualify and limits could be achieved in 25 or 50 meter pool, like the previous edition (s) was also possible.

    The choice to keep the ONK late October, however, can only be explained if one is going to use as a placement contest for the European and World Championships short course, but if so then this had been able to make long known example. In publishing the calendar. This would prevent a lot of chatter.

    I think I'm just an email to Titus going to send the request at short notice via the official channels (by the way, I did not know that the Swim Chronicle is labeled as official) to which have been responsible for planning the ONK in October the reasons expressed . Maybe they can combine with the publication of the program and the rules.

  26. This afternoon at 16:04 hours, a mail sent to Titus and 22:07 pm got a response tonight with a clear explanation.

  27. Give your positive or negative opinion about the relocation of the ONC. So follow the call / suggestion made earlier and mail to Titus. Save the trepidation away from you and let him know how you feel about it.

  28. Dirk
    The explanation may be obvious, but that remains the most important discussion intact.

    The question is which choice the coaches, the KNZB and its constituents (KZC's TCs) with respect to the NK's?

    choice for the (sub) ...... toppers.
    qualifying time in the ONK KB international touring beautiful when it suits (end of October)
    choice for all potential ONK KB populations ......
    Date ONK KB (December / January) that best fits the training structure of the whole ONK KB swimmers populations, in which, bearing in mind the grassroots, taking into account the principles established by the government and widely accepted in society staggered holidays => summer vacation runs from the last week of June to the 1st week of September!

    Either we do not assume that we start in the middle of the summer with full time training for only the top selection of the club, regardless of whether it is to organize as the vacation of pool staff in the various municipalities at all in the holiday season, some pools are just closed because the staff needed in the outdoor pools / water park and apart from any additional rental charge of bathing waters.

    And yes the (families of) swimmers benefit from 6 weeks of real vacation: No school, no swimming;
    that sometimes the holidays within the project building already initial training is something other than a full training week of 14 -20 hours.

  29. Dirk,

    Can you show that clear explanation?

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