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NJK Short Course is much calmer than last year (UPDATE 17-1-2012)

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For NJK Short Course of last year there was also at this site, a lot of discussion about the limits and the number of participants.
It was through the KNZB set policy more flexible limits and thereby creating an additional incentive for young swimmers had resulted in a number of participants which can hardly be processed. Fortunately, the chaos was afterwards, and was full of praise discussed the solutions that the organization had been found in association with the KNZB.
To ensure that the number of participants in Dordrecht at the 2011 National Junior would not really be too large, it was decided to use a maximum number of participants per program number. These limits, determined by the number of participants of the National Junior Short Course, was obviously an unpopular measure, but one that turned out certainly necessary. NJK Dordrecht was eventually crowded but comfortably handle.

To all the vicissitudes of 2011 not to do so again in 2012 on, it was decided this season to tighten the limits for NJK's. Some ages but limited, in other ages very solid, especially the girls and boys juniors juniors 2 3. With only two weeks to go before the limit period closes, we can prepare an interim balance sheet and is already saying that the National Junior Short Course in 2012 a piece will be quieter than last year.
On are now the limits again on the page limit , where we also take into account the set minimum number of participants per program 8. Were there at the National Junior Short Course 2011 at almost all distances even 20+ swimmers who had reached the limit for the National Junior Short Course in 2012, there are no less than 20 distances less than 8 swimmers who managed to get the sharp limits. For both girls juniors 2 as the boys juniors 3 are needed on 7 of the 12 numbers rankings to get a full series.

Gained limits NJWK 2012 a January 3, 2012

Possible that there can be looked in the summer towards the NJK or a minimum of 16 participants is no better option to get more balanced partitions on the junior age groups?

UPDATE 16-1-2012: We have tried to process all the results of the circle winter championships and our knowledge, the rankings are now complete.
Obviously there at the last moment still quite achieved what limits, which remain still 13 distances over which the rankings are required to get a full series.
In terms of distribution of these distances over the ages has not changed much, both girls from 1999 (4 distances) as the boys from 1997 (5 distances) continue to "hit" the hardest ages. This becomes even clearer when one looks at the total number of limits by age:
Boys 1996: 207 limits
Boys 1997: 115 limits
Boys 1998: 528 limits
Boys 1999: 209 * limits
Girls 1998: 340 limits
Girls 1999: 168 limits
Girls 2000: 256 * limits
* At the youngest ages, no 50vrij, 200vlinder 400wissel and swam, with 50vrij certainly would be good for about 60 limits the distribution seen in the other ages

Looking at the success why the Dutch Juniors struggling to meet the current limits, it is of course no surprise that the 200m butterfly at the top state (total boys and girls, all ages (5) together, only 28 limits. The distances at all ages to swim the 200m breaststroke with 89 limits the least busy, closely followed by the 100m butterfly with 91 earned limits Total achieved limits of all ages and distances:. 1822. By comparison, were the NJK in Terneuzen achieved there 3152 limits.

Gained limits NJWK 2012 general limit period

UPDATE 17-1-2012: On the KNZB site is an additional line added to the register based on the rankings at distances where less than 8 swimmers have reached the limit: Less than 8 participants KNZB will invite the next swimmers.
When registering for the National Junior associations must therefore ONLY write the swimmers who have met the limit times. Subscribe swimmers over the limit as time will always result in an administrative fee / penalty.

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  1. KNZB last year, the limits for NJK KB 2011 put quite limp. With due to a very busy tournament, I see in the above piece it all still went well.

    Regarding the limits for NJK KB 2012, which nevertheless be a lot sharper put, it was wise to tighten the limits.

    Only trots KNZB in my opinion a bit by now, if there is 19 (!) Distances less than 8 swimmers have met the limit, and thus the ranking must be caught with it. What is then the value of a limit? Grab just the best of Netherlands 8,16,24 covering distance.

    In my opinion you are doing something wrong, take just one example Boys 100m clearance juniors 3 (1997) last year took 106 boys in 1997 participated in the 100m free stroke. This year, the number reduced to 16!
    This year there are so 90 guys who have not reached the limit, it is logical that there are fewer participants, the KNZB also wanted a large influx, which increasingly thinning. But this seems to me quite a bit exaggerated.

  2. Nicky: Your example is exactly what we have been raised with the KNZB.
    From 106 to 16 is also in our eyes it overshot.
    And all this we could announce the publication of the limits, just looking at the times of the year 1996, the year before had swum.
    A quick look at the 100m free times of the boys 1996 between 1-1-2010 and 15-1-2011 teaches us that with the current limits also only 19 met the boys of 1996 would have to the limit.
    There or sit circle winter championships in 2011, therefore possible that the 16 year of 1997 will still be a few more.

    And in all this we are talking about the free stroke, the most frequently occupied stroke.
    Take you also end seven swimmers qualified for the National Junior Short Course the 100m breaststroke in boys than in 1997, the counter is currently at 7 and had there with the current limits last year at the boys in 1996.

  3. martin

    And what was the reaction of the KNZB this? Because I assume that they can not deny that in determining both the limits of 2011, as the limits of 2012 errors.

    Is not it much better to abolish the limits just? Or make a limit without looking at mss tables but simply the best 24 of the previous year, and then make a margin?

  4. KNZB should once sleek look to limit their policy.
    Short Course: NJK Dordrecht 2009: a busy schedule, but moderate in terms of throughput. NJK Heerenveen, 2010: sharp limits => emergency measure at least two runs. NJK Terneuzen 2011: too many swimmers.
    Now NJK Amsterdam 2012: reasonable numbers series, but sometimes really little swimmers with limits thus complementing the series until full.

    Uhm .... Last year was the argument that a NJK grassroots entemeert. Now we have another little series, so we apparently still go back for a realistic turnaround / stricter limits. I do not understand anything anymore.
    The policy limit drifts so. Of normal (2009) to severely (2010) to weak (2011) to stenger with solid impact in some vintages (2012).

    Why do we not learn from the mistakes of our past. Set limits at a level that is real / seems obv the rankings of previous years.
    Not only MSS !!! Soon the results of LZR 3 and similar suits go MSS levels again become tighter, which are in fact based on the 10 best swimmers in the world and going driven again swim faster :)
    If you over 2 months / 6 weeks for an NC or NJK or NKS (senior swimmers) show that a mistake was made, resulting in too much or too little swimmers, nothing stands in your way to the limits a half or one level to reinforce or weaken correct. Especially when you notified when the publication of the limits.
    And complementary to x series .... my opinion is not a motivator. I would like athlete prouder of myself when I got the (adjusted) limit, entirely on its own.

    My response to the broad limits NJK 2011 KB Terneuzen last year

    So ... a proposal ... ..
    The limits on freestyle and medley 1 (or a half) niveautje tighten and in the 200 butterfly and 400 swap one (or a half) niveautje lower. The target number of participants, the number of series and duration of reducing the sessions to manageable nivieaus. Publish to publish the limits an additional rule / regulation:
    if the potential number of participants there six weeks before the race the following limits are admitted for that succeed with half or one level tightened / easier.
    Also for the 200 butterfly and 400 AC limits are achievable. The results of the limit games we see now recognized 200m butterfly specialists will chew on the limit, (just do not pick up a few seconds) that may still not be the intention !! If that is no longer for NJK KB Terneuzen can be happy or to NJK Dordrecht and future NJKs NKS !!! End reaction

    Pity mi a missed opportunity for the KNZB.

  5. Agree with Frank ...

    Have now own swimmers boys juniors 2 and 3 to each other. Almost zefde stature equal. Where jun. 2 are almost linieten fetches swim backwards (F table), and 3 (E table) that approximately equally hard swims does not come close to the limit. Have the boys and girls who have told NJK go swimming if not changed the policy, they should keep in mind that they might next year can not swim on the NJK. And now extra should "enjoy". For the pleasure to participate in many of my swimmers is more important than a possible podium. (Olympic thoughts)

    I hear the Titus say the clinic in Brakel motivation is the key. What works motivating than yourself enjoyed measure on the highest platform in the Netherlands with your age? Remains for many swimmers not much left but hope for repentance in decision

    Discussion has been going on, also regarding the LOOT statuses. If you go to school in our neighborhood looking at the number LOOT students. And you look at how much certain sports have a real LOOT status, or how easy they are to be compared with the sport of swimming, this is upsetting to see. Ridiculous to have where you cling on the basis of international top sponsored tables "fast" clothing. We teach our swimmers that they should not compare themselves with themselves. Can we in the Netherlands than in fact do not look at the past few years. And then to Guitarist of the data set limits. Seems to me very simple right?

    idd a missed opportunity ... ..

  6. KNZB "pulls" the weather. Sorry no other words for it. The rules change during the game at the expense of girls of 12-13 years. The limit in the 200 freestyle for NJK been tightened with 5 seconds !!! What are they doing? Not with the swimmers of this age, that's for sure, but we also knew at the beginning of the season when the limits for this group of three double were tightened. KNZB .... which says that for K? And why not explain or find the bigwigs to give an explanation for this sharpening below their level?

    25 girls had and limit, now only 9. Number 10 and 11 had 3 days a limit and now that they decreased again by the KNZB. Really incredible !!

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