## NJK kortebaan is much calmer than last year (UPDATE 17-1-2012)

For NJK short course of last year, was also on this site, much debate about the limits and the number of participants.

The policy of flexible limits set by the KNZB, thus creating an additional incentive for young swimmers had resulted in a number of participants which was almost impossible to handle. Fortunately attacked the chaos afterwards and it was full of praise spoken of the solutions that the organization in collaboration with the KNZB had found.

To ensure that the number of participants in Dordrecht in 2011 NJK would not be too big, it was decided a maximum number of participants per program number to handle. These limits, determined by the number of members of the National Junior Short Course, was obviously an unpopular measure, but one that turned out indeed needed. NJK in Dordrecht was eventually crowded but well manageable.

In order not to repeat again, all the troubles from 2011 to 2012 it was decided to tighten. Limits to NJK's for this season In some ages but limited in other ages very sturdy, especially the girls and boys junior juniors 2 3 With only two weeks to go before closing the limit period, we can conclude an interim balance sheet and is already saying it NJK 2012, a short course will be than last year. calmer

On zwemrank.nl are now the limits back on the page limit , in which we also take into account the minimum number of participants per program 8 preset Were there at NJK kortebaan 2011 at nearly all distances even 20+ swimmers who had reached the limit for the NJK kortebaan 2012 there are no fewer than 20 distances less than 8 swimmers who managed to reach the sharp limits. In both the girls junior second as the boys junior 3 are 7 of the 12 numbers needed to get. Full series rankings

Obtained limits NJWK 2012 by January 3, 2012

May not be possible or a minimum of 16 participants is no better option is to get the distributions over the junior age groups are more balanced towards the NJK looked in the summer

**UPDATE 16-1-2012:** We have tried to incorporate all the results of the circle winter championships and the best of our knowledge, the rankings now complete.

Of course there at the last moment a lot of limits taken, leaving 13 more distances now remain with the rankings needed to get. A series full

In terms of distribution of these distances over the ages has not changed much, both girls from 1999 (4 distances) as the guys from 1997 (5 distances) remain the hardest ages 'hit'. This becomes even clearer when one looks at the total number of limits achieved by age:

Boys 1996: 207 limits

Boys 1997: 115 limits

Boys 1998: 528 limits

Boys in 1999: 209 * limits

Girls 1998: 340 limits

Girls 1999: 168 limits

Girls 2000: 256 * limits

* At the youngest ages, no 50vrij, 200vlinder 400wissel and swam, with 50vrij would be for a 60 certainly good range limits given the distribution in other ages

Looking at the success why the Dutch Juniors struggle to get the current limits, then it is obviously no surprise that the 200m butterfly at the top (total boys and girls, all ages (5) together, only 28 limits. Van distances be swum with all ages is the 200m Breaststroke 89 limits the least busy, closely followed by the 100m Fly 91 limits achieved Total limits achieved across all ages and distances:. 1822 In comparison to the NJK in Terneuzen were 3152 limits are achieved.

Obtained limits NJWK 2012 entire limit period

**UPDATE 17-1-2012:** On the KNZB site is an additional line is added to the register on the basis of the rankings at distances where less than 8 swimmers have reached the limit: *With less than 8 participants KNZB will invite the next swimmers.*

When registering for the NJK so clubs must ONLY swimmers who have met the limit time to subscribe. Subscribe swimmers over the limit as time will always result in an administrative fee / penalty.

KNZB the limits for NJK 2011 KB fairly washy put last year. With the result to a very busy tournament, I see in the above piece that it's all still good has expired.

Regarding the limits for NJK KB 2012, which yet put a lot sharper it was wise to tighten. Limits to

Only trots KNZB in my opinion a bit by now, if there have met the limit, less than 8 swimmers on 19 (!) Distances and thus the rankings there must be caught. What is then the point of a limit? Pick up just the best of 8,16,24 Netherlands covering away.

In my opinion you do something wrong, take just one example Boys 100m clearance juniors 3 (1997) last year, 106 boys took part in 1997 in the 100m clearance. This year, the number reduced to 16!

This year there are so 90 guys who have not reached the limit, it is logical that there are fewer participants, the KNZB wanted a large influx, which increasingly thinning. But this seems a bit exaggerated to me really.

Nicky: Your example is exactly what we have been raised with the KNZB.

From 106 to 16 is also overshot the target in our eyes.

And we were able to announce this at the announcement of the limits, just looking at the times that the 1996 had swum the previous year.

A quick look at the 100m free times of the boys 1996 between 1-1-2010 and 15-1-2011 teaches us that would have to the limit., Only 19 met with the present limits even in the boys 1996

Sitting there or the circle winter championships in 2011, so may be that the 16 year 1997 there are still some more to go.

And in all this we are talking about the clearance, the most frequently occupied stroke.

Take the 100m breaststroke at the boys in 1997 then the counter is currently at 7 and had also ended seven swimmers qualified for the 1996 NJK kortebaan the current limits last year at the boys.

martin

And what was the reaction of the KNZB this? Because I assume that they can not deny that there have been made. In determining both the limits of 2011 and for the limits of error 2012

Is not it much smarter to simply abolish the limits? Or make without looking at mss tables but simply the best 24 of the previous year, and then make a margin? Limit

KNZB should look to their limit policy tight.

Short Course: NJK Dordrecht 2009: a busy schedule, but socially in terms of throughput. NJK Heerenveen 2010: too sharp limits => emergency measure at least two series. NJK Terneuzen 2011: too many swimmers.

Now NJK Amsterdam 2012: reasonable numbers series, but sometimes really little swimmers with limits thus replenishing the series to full.

Uhm .... last year was the argument that a NJK grassroots entemeert. Now we have another little series so apparently we go yet again for a realistic turnaround / stricter limits. I do not understand. Equally

The limit policy wavers so. Of normal (2009) to the strand (2010) to weak (2011) to Stenger with too strong impact in some volumes (2012).

Why do not we learn from the mistakes of our past. Establish limits at a level that is real / seems obv the rankings of the previous years.

Not only in MSS !!! Go again soon tighter, which are, after all, based on the best 10 swimmers in the world and going back driven swim faster MSS levels with the results of three LZR suits and similar

If you have 2 months / 6 weeks for NK or NJK or NKS (seniors swimmers) turns out that a mistake was made, resulting in too much or too little swimmers, nothing in your way to the limits a half or one level to sharpen or too weak. Especially when you advance report this to the publication of the limits.

And make up ... x series. mi is not a motivator. I would like athlete prouder of myself when I got in the (revised) limit all by itself.

My response to the wide limits NJK 2011 KB Terneuzen last year

So ... a proposal ... ..

The limits of freestyle and medley one (or a half) niveautje sharpening and in the 200 butterfly and 400 exchange one (or a half) niveautje lower. Target the number of participants, the number of series and the duration of the sessions to manageable nivieaus back. Publish in publishing the limits an additional line / Regulation:

if the potential number of participants there six weeks before the competition, following admission to the limits for the respective strokes with half or one level tightened / easier.

Also for the butterfly 200 and 400 change are achievable the limits. The results of limit games we see now recognized 200 m butterfly specialists to chew on the limit, (just do not pick up on a few seconds) that can not be the intention !! If that is no longer the NJK KB Terneuzen may like it for NJK Dordrecht and future NJKs NKS !!! End of reaction

Pity mi a missed opportunity for the KNZB.

Agree with Frank ...

've Now got yourself swimmers boys junior 2 and 3 are together. Almost zefde stature equal. Where jun. Two are almost linieten fetches swim backwards (Table F), and the third (E table) that approximately equally hard swims not come close to the limit. Did the boys and girls who now go swimming NJK told that if not changed the policy, they have to take into account that maybe she can not swim at the NJK next year. And thus extra to "enjoy" now. Because the pleasure to be able to do many of my swimmers important than a possible podium. (Olympic thoughts)

I hear the Titus say the clinic in Brakel motivation that is the key. What works to measure it more motivating than yourself with your peers on the highest platform in the Netherlands Remains for many swimmers not much hope for a recollection in decision

Discussion has already been going on, even with regard to the LOOT states. If you join us around the school to look at the number of LOOT students. And you look at some sports how many have a real LOOT status, or how easy they are to get compared to the sport of swimming is saddening to see. Ridiculous to have what you cling on the basis of international players in sponsored "fast" clothing tables. We do not teach our swimmers that they should compare. With himself Can we really do not look in the Netherlands for the past few years. And then define limits on bassis of such data. Seems to me very simple right?

idd a very missed opportunity ... ..

KNZB "pulls" the weather. Sorry no other words for it. Change the rules during the game at the expense of girls 12-13 years old. The limit on the 200 freestyle for NJK is tightened by 5 seconds !!! What are they doing? Not with the swimmers of this age, that's for sure, but we also knew at the beginning of the season when the limits for this group were three double sharpened. KNZB. ... where state K for? And why not explain or find the bigwigs giving an explanation for this sharpening below their level?

25 girls had and limit, now only 9 Number 10 and 11 had a 3 day limit and now them again diminished by the KNZB. Really incredible !!