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For NJK short course of last year there was also at this site, a lot of debate about the limits and the number of participants.
It was the policy of flexible KNZB set limits and thereby create an additional incentive for young swimmers had resulted in a number of participants that can hardly be processed. Fortunately, the chaos was afterwards, and was full of praise spoken about the solutions that the organization had found in collaboration with the Royal Dutch Swimming Federation.
To ensure that the number of participants in Dordrecht in 2011 NJK would not really be too large, it was decided to use a maximum number of participants per program number. These limits, determined by the number of members of the National Junior Short Course, it was obviously an unpopular measure, but one that turned out indeed needed. NJK in Dordrecht was eventually crowded but comfortably handle.

For all the hassles out in 2011 not to do so again in 2012, it was decided this year to tighten the limits for NJK's. In some ages but limited in other ages very solid, especially the girls and boys juniors juniors 2 3. With only two weeks to go before the limit period closes, we can prepare an interim balance sheet and is already saying that the Short Course NJK 2012. piece will be calmer than last year.
On are now limits again on the page limit , where we also take into account the specified minimum number of participants per program 8. Were there NJK Short Course in 2011 at almost all distances even 20+ swimmers who had reached the limit for the 2012 Short Course NJK there are as many as 20 distances less than 8 swimmers who managed to reach the sharp limits. In both the girls and the boys juniors 2 3 juniors are required in 7 of the 12 songs rankings to get a full series.

Gained limits NJWK 2012 a January 3, 2012

Possibly that can be looked in the direction the summer NJK or a minimum of 16 participants is no better option to get the balanced distribution of the junior age groups?

UPDATE 16-1-2012: We have tried to incorporate all results from the circle winter championships and our knowledge the rankings are now complete.
Obviously there at the last moment brought a lot of limits, which remain 13 distances are now about where the rankings are required to get a full series.
In terms of distribution of these distances over the ages has not changed much, both girls from 1999 (4 distances) as the boys from 1997 (5 distances) continue to "hit" the hardest ages. This becomes even clearer if we look at the totals by age limits:
Boys 1996: 207 Limits
Boys 1997: 115 Limits
Boys 1998: 528 Limits
Boys 1999: 209 * limits
Girls 1998: 340 Limits
Girls 1999 168 limits
Girls 2000: 256 * limits
* In the youngest age is not 50vrij, 200vlinder 400wissel and swam, with 50vrij certainly would account for some 60 limits given the distribution in other ages

Looking at the success why the Dutch Juniors struggling to meet the current limits, then obviously it's no surprise that the 200m butterfly at the top (total boys and girls, all ages (5) together, only 28 limits. The distances all ages swim the 200m breaststroke with 89 limits the least busy, closely followed by the 100m butterfly 91 won limits Total holds stakes in all ages and distances:. 1822. By comparison, were the NJK in Terneuzen line performance 3152 limits.

Gained limits NJWK 2012 general limit period

UPDATE 17-1-2012: The KNZB site is an additional line added to the register based on the rankings at distances where less than 8 swimmers have reached the limit: Less than 8 participants KNZB will invite the next swimmers.
When registering for the NJK associations must therefore ONLY swimmers who have met to subscribe to the limit times. Subscribe swimmers over the time limit will, as always, result in an administrative fee / penalty.

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  1. KNZB last year limits for NJK KB 2011 put quite limp. With the result to a very busy tournament, I see in the above piece it all still went well.

    Regarding the limits for NJK KB 2012, which nevertheless be a lot sharper put, it was wise to tighten the limits.

    Only trots KNZB in my opinion a bit by now, if there are 19 (!) Distances less than 8 swimmers have met the limit, and thus the ranking must be caught there. What is then the value of a limit? Then pick just the best of Netherlands 8,16,24 covering distance.

    In my opinion you do something wrong, take but one example Boys 100m free stroke Juniors 3 (1997) last year, 106 boys took part in 1997 in the 100m free stroke. This year, the number reduced to 16!
    This year there are so 90 guys who have not reached the limit, it is logical that there are fewer participants, the KNZB also wanted a large influx, which increasingly thinning. But this seems to me quite a bit exaggerated.

  2. Nicky: Your example is exactly what we have already raised with the KNZB.
    From 106 to 16 is also in our eyes overshot.
    And we could already announce the publication of the limits, just looking at the times the year 1996, the year before had been swimming.
    A quick look at the 100m free times of the boys 1996 between 1-1-2010 and 15-1-2011 teaches us that with the current limits also only 19 met the boys of 1996 would have to the limit.
    There or sit circle winter championships of 2011 therefore possible that the 16 year 1997 there will be some more.

    And in all this we are talking about the clearance, the most frequently occupied stroke.
    Take you also end seven swimmers qualified for the Short Course NJK the 100m Breaststroke in boys than in 1997, the count is currently at 7 and had there with the current limits last year with the boys in 1996.

  3. martin

    And what was the reaction of the KNZB this? Because I assume that they can not deny that in determining both the limits of 2011 and for the limits of 2012. mistakes were made.

    Is not it much better to abolish the limits just? Or make a limit without looking at mss tables but simply the best 24 of the previous year, and then make a margin?

  4. KNZB should once sleek look to limit their policy.
    Short Course: NJK Dordrecht 2009: a busy schedule, but moderate in terms of throughput. NJK Heerenveen 2010: to sharp limits => emergency measure at least 2 runs. NJK Terneuzen 2011: too many swimmers.
    Now NJK Amsterdam 2012: reasonable numbers series, but sometimes really little swimmers with limits thus replenishing the series until full.

    Uhm .... Last year was the argument that NJK grassroots entemeert. Now we have another little series so we obviously still go back to a realistic turnaround / stricter limits. I do not understand anything anymore.
    The limit policy wavers so. Of normal (2009) to severely (2010) to weak (2011) stenger with solid impact in some vintages (2012).

    Why do we not learn from the mistakes of our past. Set limits at a level that is real / seems reserving the rankings of previous years.
    Not only MSS !!! Soon the results of LZR 3 and similar suits go MSS levels again become tighter, which sought to protect the 10 best swimmers in the world and going driven again swim faster :)
    If you over 2 months / 6 weeks for an NK or NJK or NKS (senior swimmers) show that a mistake was made, resulting in too much or too little swimmers, nothing stands in your way to the limits one half or one level to reinforce or weaken correct. Especially if you report this advance in the publication of the limits.
    And complementary to x series .... mi is not a motivator. I would like athlete prouder of myself when I got the (adjusted) limit, entirely on its own.

    My reaction to the broad limits NJK 2011 KB Terneuzen last year

    So ... a proposal ... ..
    The limits on freestyle and medley 1 (or a half) niveautje tightening and in the 200 butterfly and 400 AC 1 (or a half) niveautje lower. Aim the number of participants, the number of series and duration of reducing the sessions to manageable nivieaus. Publish for publishing the limits an additional rule / regulation:
    if the potential number of participants there six weeks before the competition following limits are admitted to the corresponding strokes with half or one level tightened / simplified.
    For the 200 butterfly and 400 points, the limits are achievable. The results of the limit games we see now recognized 200m butterfly specialists will chew on the limit (not just pick up a few seconds), it may still not be the intention !! If that is no longer for NJK KB Terneuzen can be happy or to NJK Dordrecht and future NJKs NKS !!! End comment

    Pity mi a missed opportunity for the KNZB.

  5. Agree with Frank ...

    Do now own swimmers boys juniors 2 and 3 to each other. Almost zefde stature equal. Whereby the Jun. 2 are almost linieten fetches swim backwards (F table), and 3 (E table) that approximately equally hard not swim is near the limit. Have the boys and girls who have told NJK go swimming if not changed the policy, they must keep in mind that they might next year can not swim on the NJK. And now so extra should "enjoy". For the pleasure to participate in many of my swimmers is more important than a possible podium finish. (Olympic thoughts)

    I hear the Titus say at the clinic in Brakel motivation is the key. What works motivating than yourself enjoyed measure on the highest platform in the Netherlands with your age? Remain there for many swimmers not much left but hope for a recollection in the decision-making

    Discussion has been going on, also regarding the LOOT states. If you go to school in our neighborhood looking at the number LOOT students. And you look at how much certain sports have a real LOOT status, or how easy they are to be compared to the sport of swimming, this is saddening to see. Ridiculous to have where you cling on the basis of international players at tables sponsored "fast" clothing. We teach our swimmers that they should not compare themselves with themselves. Can we in the Netherlands than in fact do not look at the past few years. And then bassist of the data set limits. Seems to me very simple right?

    idd a very missed opportunity ... ..

  6. KNZB "pulls" the weather. Sorry no other words for it. Changing the rules during the game at the expense of girls of 12-13 years. The limit in the 200 freestyle for NJK is tightened by 5 seconds !!! What are they doing? Not with the swimmers of this age, that's for sure, but we also knew at the beginning of the season when the limits for this group of 3 double were tightened. KNZB .... where state for K? And why not explain or find the bigwigs to give an explanation for this sharpening below their level?

    25 girls had and limit, now only 9. Number 10 and 11 had 3 days a limit and now them again conducted by the Royal Dutch Swimming Federation. Truly unbelievable !!

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