NJK Short Course is much calmer than last year (UPDATE 17-1-2012)
For NJK short course of last year, was also on this site, much debate about the limits and the number of participants.
Accordingly, the smoother KNZB policy limits and thereby creating an additional incentive for young swimmers had resulted in a number of participants which was almost impossible to handle. Luckily the chaos afterwards and it was especially praised discussed the solutions that the organization had found. Together with the KNZB
To ensure that the number of participants in Dordrecht in 2011 NJK would not be too big, it was decided to handle. Maximum number of participants per program number These limits, determined by the number of participants of the NJK Short Course, was obviously an unpopular measure, but one that certainly was necessary afterwards. The NJK in Dordrecht was eventually crowded but good to handle.
For all the troubles from 2011 not 2012 again about to do, it was decided the limits for the NJK's to tighten. For this season In some ages but limited, in other ages very sturdy, especially the girls and boys junior juniors 2 3. With only two weeks to go before closes the limit we can draw up a provisional balance sheet and is already saying that the NJK Short Course 2012 will be a lot more than last year. Quieter
On zwemrank.nl are now the limits back on the page limit , which we also consider the set minimum number of participants per program 8. Were there at the NJK Short Course 2011 at virtually all distances are 20 + swimmers who had reached the limit, for NJK Short Course 2012 there are as many as 20 distances less than 8 swimmers who managed to get the sharp limits. For both girls junior 2 as the boys junior 3 there are seven of the 12 numbers in order to get rankings. A full series
Achieved limits NJWK 2012 by January 3, 2012
May not be possible or a minimum of 16 participants is no better option to get the partitions on the junior age groups are balanced towards the NJK summer look
UPDATE 16-1-2012: We tried to process all the results of the winter circuit championships and our knowledge are the rankings now complete.
Of course there are a lot of limits taken at the last minute, leaving 13 still remain distances which the rankings are needed to get a series. Full
In terms of distribution of these distances over the ages has not changed much, both girls 1999 (4 distances) as the boys from 1997 (5 distances) remain the most 'hit' ages. This becomes even clearer if we look at the total number of limits achieved by age:
Boys 1996: 207 limits
Boys 1997: 115 limits
Boys 1998: 528 limits
Boys 1999: 209 * limits
Girls 1998: 340 limits
Girls 1999 168 limits
Girls 2000: 256 * limits
* At the youngest ages, no 50vrij, 200vlinder 400wissel and swimming, which 50vrij would be about 60 limits the distribution seen in other ages definitely good
Looking at the success why the Dutch Juniors are struggling to meet the current limits than it is of course no surprise that the 200m butterfly at the top (total boys and girls, all ages (5) together, only 28 limits. Among the distances be swum at all ages is the 200m Breaststroke 89 limits the least busy, closely followed by the 100m with 91 achieved limits Total limits across all ages and distances achieved:.. 1822 In comparison, for the NJK in Terneuzen 3152 limits are reached.
Achieved limits NJWK entire 2012 period limit
UPDATE 17-1-2012: The KNZB site is an additional line is added on the register on the basis of the rankings at distances where less than 8 swimmers have reached the limit: Less than 8 participants will KNZB invite the next swimmers.
When registering for the NJK associations must therefore ONLY the swimmers who have met in writing. Limit times Subscribe for swimmers over the limit as time will always result in an administrative fee / penalty.
The KNZB Last year, the limits for the NJK 2011 KB put quite limp. With a very busy due to the tournament, I see in the above piece that it all does good has expired.
Regarding the limits for NJK KB 2012, which still put a lot sharper, it has not been wise to tighten the limits.
Only the trots KNZB in my opinion a bit by now, if distances on 19 (!) Less than 8 swimmers have met the limit, and thus the ranking there to be caught. What is then the use of a limit? Grab just the best of 8,16,24 Netherlands covering distance.
In my opinion you do something wrong, take just one example Boys 100m freestyle juniors 3 (1997) it took last year 106 boys in 1997 participated in the 100m freestyle. This year, the number reduced to 16!
This year there will be 90 guys who have not reached the limit, it makes sense that there are fewer participants, the KNZB also wanted a large influx, which increasingly thinning. But this seems like quite a bit exaggerated.
@ Nicky: your example is exactly what we have been raised with the KNZB.
From 106 to 16 is also overshot the target in our eyes.
And all this we could announce the publication of the limits, just looking at the times that the 1996 had swum the previous year.
A quick look at the 100m free times of the boys 1996 between 1-1-2010 and 15-1-2011 teaches us that would have to the limit. Happened to the current limits only 19 met also with the boys from 1996
That is where the circle or winter championships in 2011, so possible that the 16 year 1997 there will be some more.
And in all this we are talking about the clearance, the most frequently occupied stroke.
Take the 100m breaststroke at the 1997 boys over the counter is currently at 7 and had also ended seven swimmers qualified with the current limits last year with the boys in 1996 for NJK Short Course.
@ Martin
And what was the reaction of the KNZB this? Because I assume they can not deny that there are made. In determining both the limits of 2011 and for the limits of error 2012
Is not it much smarter to simply abolish the limits? Or make without looking at mss-tables a limit but simply the best 24 of the preceding year, and then make a margin?
The KNZB should take a look at their limit policy tight.
Short Course: NJK Dordrecht 2009: a busy schedule, but scientific terms turnaround. NJK Heerenveen 2010: too sharp limits => emergency least two series. NJK Terneuzen 2011: too many swimmers.
Now NJK Amsterdam 2012: reasonable numbers series, but sometimes really little swimmers with limits thus replenishing the series full.
Uhm .... last year was the argument that NJK grassroots entemeert. Now we have another little series so we are apparently yet again for a realistic turnaround / stricter limits. I do not understand. Equally
The policy limit drifts so. Of normal (2009) to strict (2010) to weak (2011) to Stenger with too strong impact in some volumes (2012).
Why do we not learn from the mistakes of our past. Establish limits at a level that is real / seems based on the rankings of the previous years.
Not only in MSS!! Soon the results of LZR 3 and similar suits go the MSS levels again become tighter, which are in fact based on the top 10 swimmers in the world and going again driven swim faster
If you than 2 months / 6 weeks for NK or NJK or NKS (senior swimmers) show that a mistake has been made resulting in too much or too little swimmers, nothing stands in your way to the limits a half or one level to reinforce or weaken properly. Especially when you advance report this to the publication of the limits.
And make up to x series .... mi is not a motivator. I would like athlete proud of myself when I got in all by itself. The (revised) limit
My response to the broad limits NJK 2011 KB Terneuzen last year
So ... a proposal .....
The limits on Freestyle and Medley 1 (or half) niveautje tightening and the 200 butterfly and 400 exchange one (or half) niveautje lower. Target participants numbers, number series and the duration of the sessions reduced to manageable nivieaus. Publish to publish the limits an additional rule / regulation:
if the potential number of participants there six weeks before the competition admits rise, the limits for the respective battles with half or one level tightened / simplifies.
For the 200 butterfly and 400 change the limits achievable. The results of the limit games we see now recognized 200 m butterfly specialists will chew on the limit, (just do not pick up on a few seconds) that can still not be right! If that can not be more than happy to NJK Dordrecht and future NJKs NKS! NJK for KB Terneuzen! End reaction
Pity mi a missed opportunity for the KNZB.
I agree with Frank ...
Do yourself now boys junior swimmers 2 and 3 are together. Almost zefde stature equal. Which jun. 2 are almost linieten fetches backward swimming (Table F), and the third (Table E) so that about as hard swims not come close to the limit. Do the boys and girls who have NJK swim told that if the policy has not changed, they have to take into account that they might be able to swim in the NJK next year. And there is now extra to "enjoy". For the pleasure to be able to do is to many of my swimmers important than any podium. (Olympic thoughts)
I hear the Titus say the clinic in Brakel motivation that is the key. What works to measure it more motivating than yourself on the highest platform in the Netherlands enjoyed with your age Remains for many swimmers not much left but hope to repentance in decision
Discussion has been going on, also regarding the LOOT statuses. If you come near the school to look at the number of students LOOT. And you look at how much certain sports have a real LOOT status, or how easy they are to get compared to the sport of swimming is saddening to see. Ridiculous to where you have to cling on the basis of international top in sponsored "fast" clothing tables. We do not teach our swimmers that they should compare. With himself Can we really do not look to the Netherlands in recent years. And then determining which data limits bassist. Seems very simple right?
idd a very missed opportunity .....
The KNZB "pulls" the weather. Sorry no other words. Change the rules during the game at the expense of girls 12/13 years. The limit on the 200 freestyle for NJK is tightened by 5 seconds!! What are they doing? Not with the swimmers of this age, that's for sure, but we already knew in the beginning of the season when the limits were for this group of three double sharpened. KNZB .... where K is that for? And why not explain or find the bigwigs giving an explanation for this sharpening below their level?
25 girls had and limit, now only 9. Number 10 and 11 had a 3 day limit and now that they decreased again by the KNZB. Unbelievable!